[Geodude]

All of this could have been mitigated if Hyundai actually wanted to offer hybrid engine in Palisade. It would have been ideal suv.
I think they intentionally don’t want us to have hybrid Palisade. Because it’ll eat into their future EV sales like Ioniq 7.

 

[Medallione123]

I agree that the Sienna wil fare better and more close to the projected mileage in the Summer. Not in the winter and not for a lead-footer or aggressive driving, there are lots of anecdotes for sub-par mileage for the Sienna during the fall/winters/spring seasons as low as 24mpg (see fuelly.com numbers for actual reported numbers), so it is not possble to guessestimate the actual differences, we can only go with the theoretical projected EPA numbers.

2022 Toyota Sienna MPG - Actual MPG from 112 2022 Toyota Sienna owners

The most accurate 2022 Toyota Siennas MPG estimates based on real world results of 2.4 million miles driven in 112 Toyota Siennas

www.fuelly.com

Depending on the province you live in, the price difference is even more. For example, after HST, it is about $4800.

 

[Medallione123]

All of this could have been mitigated if Hyundai actually wanted to offer hybrid engine in Palisade. It would have been ideal suv.
I think they intentionally don’t want us to have hybrid Palisade. Because it’ll eat into their future EV sales like Ioniq 7.

I think a hybrid Palisade is inevitable. I do not see how they can leapfrog to a full EV from an ICE vehicle, it's be very pricey and prohibitive to buy, it will not have the mass appeal (due to limitations in range and robust battery capabilities )and affordability as a PHEV or HEV and North America simply does not presently have the electric infastructure to handle EVs mainstream. Testla just raised the cost to use theur Superchargers, just to give you a taste of things to come.

 

[Geodude]

I think a hybrid Palisade is inevitable. I do not see how they can leapfrog to a full EV from an ICE vehicle, it's be very pricey and prohibitive to buy, it will not have the mass appeal (due to limitations in range and robust battery capabilities )and affordability as a PHEV or HEV and North America simply does not presently have the electric infastructure to handle EVs mainstream. Testla just raised the cost to use theur Superchargers, just to give you a taste of things to come.

I agree. But that’s the interesting thing that Hyundai already finalized face lift and there’s no hybrid, only same thirsty 3.8L v6. That facelift refresh model 2023 and will be for at least 4-5 years until Ioniq 7 comes out. Btw Ioniq 7 is scheduled on Hyundai roadmap for 2024 to arrive to dealerships. I suspect it will be delayed of course. But I also agree with you that full EVs for mass adoption is utopia for next couple decades. We are heading into recession and I don’t see a way for average buyer to afford EVs. If anything market adjustment on EVs are mind blowing and negating ANY potential savings. Ford Mach 3 and ID4 selling for $25k on top of msrp which is already big to begin with.
Tesla abandoning idea of cheap EV. VW cutting ID production in Europe due to supply shortages. Basically all new EV entries already not taking orders earlier than a year or even 18 months delay.
Electrification my arse. It’s not happening until everything goes back and war ends.
Im thinking of buying a cheap hybrid (Prius or Niro) while some models are available, just to keep it in garage or driveway. Because I’m afraid prices like $60k will seem like a bargain in near future. We might see people taking “mortgages” for cars lol. Still many people continue to live like nothing is happening and they want a V6 and they buy 3.8L V6 in 2022! Amazing

 

[lamster]

Depending on the province you live in, the price difference is even more. For example, after HST, it is about $4800.

In all the review and comparison that I've found on Youtube, the pricing between Palisade and Highlander is always less than $1K. It's almost like you're telling the Sienna is more expensive than the Highlander which isn't the case at all. Are you using Hyundai Canada Web site or some other online calculator tool?

 

[Geodude]

In all the review and comparison that I've found on Youtube, the pricing between Palisade and Highlander is always less than $1K. It's almost like you're telling the Sienna is more expensive than the Highlander which isn't the case at all. Are you using Hyundai Canada Web site or some other online calculator tool?

What about market adjustments for both? Any of them easier to get at msrp? As much as I like Toyota, but new Sienna is almost unobtainable for mere mortals in terms of wait time. Palisade is not as hot as it once was, but due to the momentum created by vloggers it’s also in high demand.

 

[lamster]

What about market adjustments for both? Any of them easier to get at msrp? As much as I like Toyota, but new Sienna is almost unobtainable for mere mortals in terms of wait time. Palisade is not as hot as it once was, but due to the momentum created by vloggers it’s also in high demand.

The Palisade has much shorter wait time (6 months) comparing to 8 - 12 months for the Sienna. Now that Toyota has decided that 2023 Sienna would be just a carry-over 2022, it should help reducing the wait-time. My dealership told me that the Highlander 2023 has a wait time 12 - 18 months because of the changes. Crazy time for auto consumer.

 

[Geodude]

The Palisade has much shorter wait time (6 months) comparing to 8 - 12 months for the Sienna. Now that Toyota has decided that 2023 Sienna would be just a carry-over 2022, it should help reducing the wait-time. My dealership told me that the Highlander 2023 has a wait time 12 - 18 months because of the changes. Crazy time for auto consumer.

Definitely crazy times. Ironically when buyers will finally get their Highlander in 18 months - it’ll be already outdated and there will be numerous models with better options and features. But getting them will require another 18 months wait. We are constantly lagging behind. Consumers going crazy over wait times and technology becoming obsolete before it’s even reaches buyers.

 

[lamster]

Definitely crazy times. Ironically when buyers will finally get their Highlander in 18 months - it’ll be already outdated and there will be numerous models with better options and features. But getting them will require another 18 months wait. We are constantly lagging behind. Consumers going crazy over wait times and technology becoming obsolete before it’s even reaches buyers.

Imagine people are waiting up to 2 years for Toyota Rav4 Prime. 2 years for a vehicle!!

 

[Geodude]

Imagine people are waiting up to 2 years for Toyota Rav4 Prime. 2 years for a vehicle!!

Only 9 months for a baby, while 2 years for a car. This is nuts. It should be as simple as shopping on Amazon. After all car is another appliance basically.

 

[Clintro]

It is crazy... but babies are easier (and more fun) to make...so there is that!!!

 

[Mr. P]

Personally I am enjoying the hell out of my Palisade. Yes, I could nit pick about the little things but for the price it can't be beat. I could hold out for all the little things everyone wants and pay $20K more to get them but I am very satisfied at what we get at the price we paid. For those who want all those little things then spend the extra $30K and move up to the Genesis, there is only so much you can get for the price.

 

[Medallione123]

In all the review and comparison that I've found on Youtube, the pricing between Palisade and Highlander is always less than $1K. It's almost like you're telling the Sienna is more expensive than the Highlander which isn't the case at all. Are you using Hyundai Canada Web site or some other online calculator tool?

I am using Hyundai Canada website (Calligraphy is $57,050), and from Toyota Canada build (top Sienna Limited AWD is $61,311), in both cases all fees, levies and Freight are included). Excludes taxes

You got that right, the Sienna (top Limited trim is $61,311 ) is more expensive than the Highlander hybrid (top Platinum AWD trim is $59,511)), all fees, levies and Freight included. Excludes taxes

So, the Highlander Platnum Hybrid AWD is actually more expensive than the Hyundai Palisade Calligraphy, by $2450.

If we are comparing apples-to-apples, the Palisade compares well with Highlander Platinum non-hybrid AWD ($57,511), the highlander about $450 more costly.

 

[Ralph6410]

It is crazy... but babies are easier (and more fun) to make...so there is that!!!

But cost a heck of lot more if you include delivery and subsequent upgrades. And, they lose trade in value after about 6 years

 

[lamster]

I am using Hyundai Canada website (Calligraphy is $57,050), and from Toyota Canada build (top Sienna Limited AWD is $61,311), in both cases all fees, levies and Freight are included). Excludes taxes

You got that right, the Sienna (top Limited trim is $61,311 ) is more expensive than the Highlander hybrid (top Platinum AWD trim is $59,511)), all fees, levies and Freight included. Excludes taxes

So, the Highlander Platnum Hybrid AWD is actually more expensive than the Hyundai Palisade Calligraphy, by $2450.

If we are comparing apples-to-apples, the Palisade compares well with Highlander Platinum non-hybrid AWD ($57,511), the highlander about $450 more costly.

Thanks for the details. So the Palisade fully-loaded is several thousand dollars less than the Highlander AWD fully-loaded. In other words, the Palisade is competing with the non-hybrid Highlander.

 

[TDetroit]

I had a 2017 Chrysler 300 before and was getting WORSE MPG with the 3.8 Pentastar engine. My combined MPG with the 300 used to be around 20 combined. With the Palisade, I get a combined 22 MPG, same driving habits, and when I take it on the Freeway on weekend trips, I usually go as high as 25, so nope, no regrets. Also, if you belong to a Warehouse Clubs, they often have Gas Specials. Recently filled the Pali up from near E for $51 because they had 30 cents off a gallon if you spent $100 in store, which we did anyhow. BJ's is currently running a 75 cents off gas if you buy some items as well.

 

[aussiekeeper]

Let’s hope not. I have high hopes that war will end in a month. And prices will go down. If as it was mentioned previously, USA/Canada doesn’t really rely on Russian oil imports - then current high prices for barrel are just speculation due to war and should go down. In any case I sometimes wonder what are all these naive people thinking when posting about deposits on their over msrp Palisades. I see excitement and impatience in those threads, people tracking every move of ship in Korea. They still live in old reality and they are for a big surprise wake up call soon.

It isn't the war, it is the LEFT, look back at the Obama times, $5.00 a gallon. Get real.

 

[Eric2203]

It isn't the war, it is the LEFT, look back at the Obama times, $5.00 a gallon. Get real.

You've been shown evidence multiple times that OPEC+ countries have deliberately restricted production until September 2022 in order to recoup their losses from COVID. This has zero to do with US policy, regardless of whether the right or left is in power. It would have happened with either side in power.

You also know the war in Ukraine has made this worse. This is also unrelated to who is in power in the US. In fact, the US under Biden has been one of the most outspoken of all western democracies against Russia's aggression. Unlike the last guy who was president...

And you've also been shown that the Biden ban on oil lease in the US was blocked by the courts, and since then, the quantity of oil leases has increased at an even faster pace than in the last administration. The leases canceled last week were for specific reasons and there are currently 8 million acres of unused offshore leases anyway. Not to mention, it takes a long time for new leases to have any impact on gas prices.


You continue to post about the "LEFT" and calling people whackos like in that other thread, while refusing to actually use facts in your reasoning. You keep making this political when it isn't, because you're so brainwashed by media like Fox Propaganda. You really to quit with the divisive posts. This is the problem with politics in this country these days: blaming the other side instead of using facts. Stop and use your brain instead.


Here's the reality: gas prices would have increased regardless of who won the last election. Inflation would have been sky-high regardless of who won the last election. If you don't understand that, then your grasp of global economy and supply chain constraints as a result of COVID is non-existent. And it should be easy for you to realize that since other countries are also facing the same issues with gas prices, inflation, worker shortages, etc. How can it be the current administration's doing if it's happening everywhere? The US doesn't control other countries' policy last I checked...

 

[Ralph6410]

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Here's the reality: gas prices would have increased regardless of who won the last election. Inflation would have been sky-high regardless of who won the last election. If you don't understand that, then your grasp of global economy and supply chain constraints as a result of COVID is non-existent. And it should be easy for you to realize that since other countries are also facing the same issues with gas prices, inflation, worker shortages, etc. How can it be the current administration's doing if it's happening everywhere? The US doesn't control other countries' policy last I checked...

Our/your gas prices are high because of a policy adopted a long time ago to establish a world price. Then, governments at all levels add their tax.. And, because we/you let companies set their own markup (free enterprise) they charge what the market will bear. Sadly.. the cost of production is only a very small part (if any at all) of what you pay at the pump. You can bet the jockey taking your money has not seen much of a pay raise.
And.. I am not so sure about your last sentence ... The US doesn't control other countries' policy last I checked...

 

[Eric2203]

Our/your gas prices are high because of a policy adopted a long time ago to establish a world price. Then, governments at all levels add their tax.. And, because we/you let companies set their own markup (free enterprise) they charge what the market will bear. Sadly.. the cost of production is only a very small part (if any at all) of what you pay at the pump. You can bet the jockey taking your money has not seen much of a pay raise.
And.. I am not so sure about your last sentence ... The US doesn't control other countries' policy last I checked...

And yet, the recent increase in gas prices is directly tied to the price of the barrel at the source, rendering your point completely invalid.

No, the US doesn’t control what European banks do, yet rampant inflation is happening there as well. So is stagnating GDP growth, worker shortage and high gas prices. Get a clue: this isn’t caused by the current US administration.