Nice comparison. Thanks!

 

You're using a top of line filter but with Quaker State? I'd think you'd match it with a top of the line oil like Mobil EP or Pennzoil Ultra. Just an observation.

I've been using the Fram Ultra for years too, seems to be one of the best media and construction. I recall on Bobistheoilguy they had some problems with the cartridge type early on but seems to be all good now.

 

Why do you think Quaker State Full Synthetic isn't top of the line? QS is a very underrated oil, it doesn't get the same marketing compared to its sister Pennzoil (both are Shell products). Head over to BITOG and you would see QS virgin oil analysis. https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/quaker-state-full-synthetic-5w30.354314/
That's just for the latest SP/Dexos1 Gen3 stuff. There are more posts there for the older specs than you would care to read.

There is no need for Mobil1 EP when my average oil change interval is just a bit over 4000 miles.
As for Pennzoil Ultra. Not a fan. I have used Pennzoil Platinum for and Quaker State Full Syn for years, and I never had an issue. I bought 2 jugs of Pennzoil Ultra once, since it was on sale, expecting it will be better than the Platinum. Well, guess what.... My car started consuming oil. Went back to Platinum, no oil consumption. I don't know why.. Did I get a bad batch, maybe. All I can say is that's my experience with Pennzoil Ultra.

That said, I do my due diligence. I always send my used oil to Blackstone for analysis, at least for the first 2 years of the car. That's about 4-5 oil changes. This to confirm that everything is running okay, no issues. Then I stick with it...

For the Filter. I would gladly use OEM filter for my oil change interval. However, price is like $17 from the dealer. I can buy from online/ebay, it will be around $11 each. But then there's the uncertainty if you're getting genuine OEM or a knock-off. Why take the risk for $11, when I can get a very good, top of the line aftermarket Fram Ultra for $10.97 at Walmart.

Anyways, hopefully that clears things up why I chose the above.

 

The regular Fram has been getting lots of bad rep. Good to know, will try Fram Ultra next time. Thank you.
But I have a whole case of like 15 OEM filters to burn through first.

I run with Pennzoil Ultra and magnetic drain bolt. Did notice more metallic grime on the magnet than my other cars. Likely due to the filter.

 

The Fram XG filters are excellent, but hard to find for the Palisade in Canada. Only the CH series is readily available.

I wouldn't mind switching to the more durable synthetic media, to extend filter swaps to once a year instead of twice. The paper ones get pretty soggy.

 

True. The only place I can find it is Walmart. Even Amazon doesn't have it yet.
Autozone, Advance Auto, Pepboys doesn't have it.

 

I wouldn't use a Fram to wipe my !$$. I use Wix and Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5w30.

 

I wouldn't either. I wouldn't use WIX either. Or any oil filter for that matter. For $10 you can buy a lot of toilet paper.

I'm sure WIX is good filter based on what I heard/read. But Fram posts their filtration efficiency at 99% at 20 microns (Ultra Synthetic). I couldn't find WIX filration efficiency on their website. Why don't they post it there?

Pennzoil Ultra, well, you've seen my notes on it, my experience on it.

Bottom line, you do what you're comfortable with. If you like using WIX and Pennzoil Ultra on your !$$, that's fine.... to each his own.

 

FYI it's the low-end orange can "PH" Fram canister filters which get all the hate due to flimsy anti-drainback valves, cardboard ends, etc.

These traits do not apply to the cartride-style Fram CH11934 used in the Palisade. It is well-built. Made in Korea, strong plastic end caps, 10,000 mile service life rating. Very competitive with OEM and WIX. The only room for improvement is the higher-performance, longer-lasting synthetic medium found in the XG series.

That said, use whatever makes your heart flutter

 

FYI it's the low-end orange can "PH" Fram canister filters which get all the hate due to flimsy anti-drainback valves, cardboard ends, etc.

These traits do not apply to the cartride-style Fram CH11934 used in the Palisade. It is well-built. Made in Korea, strong plastic end caps, 10,000 mile service life rating. Very competitive with OEM and WIX. The only room for improvement is the higher-performance, longer-lasting synthetic medium found in the XG series.

That said, use whatever makes your heart flutter

Yep. The orange can is the bad one. I have used it once and Sonata's engine would tick loud in the morning. It would quiet down after some time, but never goes away.

I agree the CH11934 looks very well built. The filter material quality seems on par with OEM. For some reason it is priced more than the XG at Walmart.

 

With a 10 year/100,000 mile warranty, I'm sticking with Hyundai filters. I don't want the excuse "You didn't use the correct filter. Warranty claim denied."

 

The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act makes it illegal for companies to void a warranty or deny coverage under warranty because of an aftermarket or recycled part was used. That would be like saying they would void your warranty if the dealer doesn't change your oil.

 

Not hyundai, but I have seen them deny warranty claims for wrong spark plugs because they are a different brand or an aftermarket air filter, K&N. The replacement part has to meet or exceed OE spec's at the determination of the OE. Lawyers cost more than oil filters. In my state to even enforce the weak lemon law one needs to hire a private lawyer at one's own expense.
I keep buying Hyundais because in almost 20 years through 8 new ones I have had a total of one warranty claim and it was handled promptly and correctly. While I was at the dealer to pick up that SUV, i popped over to the parts department and picked up an oil filter.

 

Totally agree

 

I have never used oem parts and have never had an issue with a warranty claim. I will never use a dealer if I can do maintenance myself but I do keep a paper tail for records to show that all required maintenance has been completed. That would be like Hyundai requiring me to use Quaker State blend oil because that is what they recommend even though there are other oils way better.

 

Right there, my shop did a lot of top engine clean outs back in the days when QS had that big coking problem. Then, I had Castrol GTX in bulk until we caught the distributor slipping in their brand of reclaim at GTX prices through lab analysis. I switched to Valvoline in the business tank and Mobil 1 for my own cars and trucks. I did buy a Fram filter for my Santa Fe XL once a few years ago but it did not seem to have the quality of the OEM even though it cost more. I tossed it when I moved last fall.

Hyundai specifies the SAE spec and says any brand that meets them will do but recommends the QS blend.

Last month I had my first free, 7,500 mile, oil change at the dealer. I have no idea what oil they used. It is not on the sticker or the invoice. After 2,500 to 3,000 miles, but before winter, I'll change it out for Mobil 1.

 

Mine used Quaker State for the free oil change. It was on the invoice.

 

I am taking mine in soon and assume that I will receive the OEM product. My dealer provides free oil changes for life of ownership every six months or as required by mileage.

 

Wow! that's a good deal from your dealer.

 

I am 80 years old so it won’t cost them a lot, my guess is he might have comped me 2 0r 3 years if I was 30. Plus with the “Market Adjustment “ I paid they could afford a new set of tires every couple years also.

 

I would agree there may be some difference with oil filters. When it comes to oil it's either semi-synthetic or synthetic and if it's API SN plus it's not likely to matter what brand it is for a daily driver. Incidentally even oils marketed as conventional meeting current requirements are synthetic blends. It's all marketing.

 

Was out today and driving by the dealer so I popped in and picked up a filter for next time. $10 and pennies with tax.

 

It's fine but I've started to notice it eats up quite a lot of oil since I've started doing it myself after no more free maintenance. I guess I just got to do more extra work for these GDI engines. So I may try other oils "marketed" to be better for GDI.

 

Kirkland synthetic = Walmart Supertech synthetic = Warren Industries.

I've had amazing success with both products. I put it in the car, and the car goes